Legislature(2009 - 2010)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)

04/06/2010 09:00 AM Senate STATE AFFAIRS


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+= HB 73 FIREFIGHTER/EMT LICENSE PLATES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 73(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 225 STATE PROCUREMENT CODE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HJR 53 HONOR AND REMEMBER FLAG TELECONFERENCED
Moved HJR 53 Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                 HJR 53-HONOR AND REMEMBER FLAG                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:18:03 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MENARD announced the next  order of business to come before                                                               
the committee would be HJR 53.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  SAWYER,  staff to  Representative  Gatto,  said HJR  urges                                                               
Congress to  move forward  a bill that  designates the  Honor and                                                               
Remember flag  as an official  symbol recognizing members  of the                                                               
armed forces  who have  died in  the line of  duty. The  flag was                                                               
conceived by  George Lutz, whose son  died in Iraq. Mr.  Lutz and                                                               
other families  who lost a  loved one realized that  an official,                                                               
national  symbol honoring  those  who died  in  service does  not                                                               
exist.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SAWYER  held  up  a  depiction of  the  flag  and  said  the                                                               
committee packets explain  the meaning of the  design and colors.                                                               
Mr. Lutz's congressman  introduced the bill into  Congress but it                                                               
is sitting in  committee. Thousands of flags have  been given out                                                               
by Mr. Lutz's  organization and he would like to  see states pick                                                               
up  the   Honor  and  Remember   Flag  as  an   official  emblem.                                                               
Representative  Gatto is  hoping to  put in  a bill  to make  the                                                               
Honor and Remember  Flag an official symbol in  Alaska; two other                                                               
states and several  cities have already done  so. Veterans groups                                                               
have endorsed  the flag and  it is made  in the USA.  She pointed                                                               
out that  many people think  the American flag honors  those that                                                               
have fallen but it is a symbol of freedom and America's history.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:21:06 AM                                                                                                                    
The bill  in Congress says  the Honor  and Remember Flag  will be                                                               
flown under  the American flag on  certain days of the  year like                                                               
Memorial Day and Veterans Day.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MENARD asked if the bill in Congress is H.R. 1034.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAWYER replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MENARD asked about support in other states.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAWYER  replied that other  states have  similar legislation.                                                               
Mr.  Lutz's organization  is going  to every  state to  push this                                                               
movement. Alaska has an instate chapter.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KOOKESH asked  if Representative  Gatto has  any problem                                                               
changing history and making history.  Senator Kookesh said he was                                                               
referring to  Representative Gatto's  comments about  not wanting                                                               
to  change history  but preferring  to  keep things  the same  in                                                               
reference to  a bill that  Senator Kookesh feels  strongly about.                                                               
He asked  Ms. Sawyer  to pass the  question on  to Representative                                                               
Gatto. He said he supports HJR 53.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:23:41 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH said  he is curious about the  interplay between a                                                               
non-profit corporation and government.  He wonders if any members                                                               
of Congress  are concerned  about putting a  flag developed  by a                                                               
non-profit on a flag pole under the American flag.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAWYER  responded that after  doing research and  speaking to                                                               
Mr. Lutz,  she is certain this  movement is not about  money. She                                                               
is unsure why the bill is stalled in Congress.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH said  he does not want  to stall HJR 53  nor is he                                                               
assuming  that profit  is a  motive. He  said, "It  just seems  a                                                               
little funny" to  put a non-profit's flag with  the American flag                                                               
even though he supports the concept.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN  said he  is somewhat troubled  by flying  a flag                                                               
over the nation  and the capitol other than  nation's flag. Doing                                                               
so  could potentially  be  divisive  as not  all  wars have  been                                                               
supported by all people.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAWYER clarified that Senator  Paskvan meant flying the Honor                                                               
and Remember flag in addition to the nation's flag.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN replied yes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAWYER  noted that other  flags are flown under  the American                                                               
flag, including the  state flag and the POW MIA  flag. She is not                                                               
sure there  is cause  for concern  and noted  that the  Honor and                                                               
Remember flag would be flown only on certain memorial occasions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PASKVAN noted  that the  private group  is advancing  an                                                               
honorable and  appropriate cause. But  whether or not  to elevate                                                               
the flag to a national symbol is the question.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:28:25 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MENARD asked how Ms. Sawyer envisions the flags laid out.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAWYER replied that the flag would be third down.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KOOKESH said  everyone  who  dies in  the  line of  duty                                                               
receives an  American Flag.  He asked  if this  flag would  be in                                                               
lieu of or in addition to the American flag.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SAWYER replied  that the  Honor and  Remember Flag  would be                                                               
given in addition to the American flag.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DAVID CASWELL, director, Honor and  Remember - Alaska, said three                                                               
states  have adopted  the Honor  and  Remember flag  as a  symbol                                                               
recognizing the  sacrifice of military  personnel that  have died                                                               
in the line  of duty. Several cities and  local organizations are                                                               
also  participating.  The  Honor  and  Remember  flag  would  fly                                                               
underneath the American  flag. If the POW MIA flag  is flying, it                                                               
would fly directly underneath that  flag. He noted that the Honor                                                               
and Remember campaign  started in 2008 and  is quickly spreading.                                                               
The POW MIA flag took 18 years to be accepted nationally.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
While  many  think the  U.S.  flag  honors and  remembers  fallen                                                               
heroes; however, it stands for what  we believe, the unity of the                                                               
people and the diversity of  the nation. The 13 stripes represent                                                               
the original  colonies. The  stars represent  the 50  states. Red                                                               
symbolizes  heartiness and  valor.  White  symbolizes purity  and                                                               
innocence. Blue represents vigilance, perseverance and justice.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:32:25 AM                                                                                                                    
The 1.6 million service men and  women that have died in military                                                               
service  should  be  honored and  remembered  with  a  nationally                                                               
recognized symbol designed and intended for that single purpose.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:33:57 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MENARD closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MEYER  moved  to  report  HJR  53  from  committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  attached  fiscal note(s).  There                                                               
being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                                         

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